Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. An avid outdoorsman, Ian is also a guns and gear enthusiast. There is absolutely nothing better about a DD rifle compared to a Geissele. On a side note I still don't know what barrel profile the urgi is coming with. I've owned both and G is the better rifle. Its Ok. ar-15/m16 300 blk s2w hammer forged barrels. Get a correct urgi upper and slap it on a colt lower. So what is the URG-I? Yes A Mid Length Gas System! . The barrel is really the only thing it has going for it. It however also includes a Daniel Defense 14.5 government profile cold hammer-forged barrel fitted with a Surefire SF4P four-prong flash hider. This Daniel Defense Rifle Barrel Assembly is 14.5" in length, it features a mid-length gas system and uses a 1:7 twist. That's about 2 grands worth of ammo. Ive owned three DDs. The mid-length gas system has a smoother recoil impulse, which keeps the shooter on target at a faster pace than previous models. The SF4P can also hook up to a Surefire SOCOM 5.5. Hi all - I'm looking to purchase an "upper tier" factory 16" rifle for hard use, specifically trying to choose between the DDM4 V7 and the Geissele Super Duty. I want my rail to work as if should. At the time, tula in 1000 cases cost about 230 bucks at my LGS. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Admittedly I've been leaning towards DD since the beginning so I think I will hold out for one. I guess I just am not seeing whats being offered by Geissele and I know others have remove the 42 spring set up and replaced it with the A5. Whos the window licker fanboy? Do the backordered URGI 14.5 uppers still use the Daniel Defense barrels or have you switched to Geissele CHF barrels on them (and if so are they chrome lined)? Is that a legit socom barrel like bcm's? The Super Duty URG-I rifle costs approximately $1,800 direct from Geissele. As a follow-on question to RadioActivity's comment, does 14.5+pinned muzzle device buy one that much vs 16" + normal muzzle device? Is it a medium profile socom or skinny to fat government profile? In 2009 he cofounded the defense and security blog Japan Security Watch. Geissele further states that the URG-I upper is optimized for the Armys new 5.56-millimeter M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round. Thank you. According to the Navys Naval Surface Warfare Center--Crane, midlength gas systems are also more reliable and increase the service lifespan of the weapon. Here's What You Need To Remember:The Super Duty URG-I rifle costs approximately $1,800 direct from Geissele. May 14, 2021, by This is not to be confused with SURG, which is a separate programme: Current public URG-I reference pics show an array of improved parts, used to outfit existing M4A1 long (14.5 barrel) uppers. . Get whichever you can for the best price and actually shoot it to ensure reliability. Intl. Im not sure if prices have gone up, but I got it >1 year ago on either Black Friday or some other roughly 20% off sale. As far as small group of users. Now that the URG-I is evidently rolling out to US Army Special Forces Groups, I thought Id do a quick primer on it. DANIEL DEFENSE DDM4 MK18 - $1,599.99. Was about to buy a Bcm socom upper but it's carbine length, I may have to wait for this. Description Action: Daniel Defense DD5 (AR10) Caliber: 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel Length: 20" Twist: 1:8 Gas Block: .750 Gas Length: Rifle + 1 PROOF Research pre-fit carbon fiber barrels are available for the Daniel Defense DD5, an AR10 style rifle that is available in 6.5 Creedmoor and 7.62x51mm/.308 Winchester. If youre looking for a bargain, this isnt it. In the guts of the Complete model is a mid-length gas system with a low-profile gas block a non-standard modification that allows for better round cycling for follow-up shots than the average gas tubes that most ARs come with today. 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The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Thanks! Mine runs well, it runs well with crappy ammo that my home build wont cycle. Both are excellent. URG-I Complete, Near Clone, 14.5", 5.56MM Specification. However, I have built riffles using VLTOR uppers and Daniel Defense or Criterion barrels. I actually bought a URGI from Geissele that came with a DD barrel. Inova-GoHealth Urgent Care - Vienna. Email: sales@opticsplanet.com, 9AM-7PM CT Mon-Fri Ian DCosta is a correspondent with Gear Scout whose work has been featured with We Are The Mighty, The Aviationist, and Business Insider. However, instead of being mated to an M4 carbine, it's designed to be used with civilian semi-automatic AR-15-type rifles, though still offering considerable improvements over the standard upper receivers most base AR builds come with today. That's exactly what I was getting at. As an added bonus, the Surefire SOCOM 4-prong flash hider comes as an option, perfectly timed and Rocksett into position. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Gear Expert, JavaScript is disabled. The USASOC URGI is a near-clone of the upper receiver group currently in service with USASOC. Daniel Defense Barrels Daniel Defense Barrels Department Sort By Default Most Recent Oldest Price: Low to High Price: High to Low Rating Showing 1-7 of 7 items Daniel Defense 16 Lightweight Mid Length Barrel Price $328.00 07-078-09136-018 Daniel Defense Daniel Defense 16 Government Barrel Price $328.00 07-077-09173-018 Daniel Defense The URGI charging handle is highly sought after due to its roll marks. All Rights Reserved. This is the correct barrel and gas block for your URGI build. Surefire makes an excellent can, but it's far from the only good option. Never having fought inside structures, does that 1.5" really make enough difference to make it worthwhile to SBR all one's lowers or, alternatively, to deal with the pin/weld hassle? June 22, 2022; list of borana abba gada; alton funeral home; daniel defense urgi barrel I haven't shot them a lot but I had a V7 at one point and put thousands of rounds through it. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. They have proven themselves over the past 10-20 years, while Geissele is basically a start-up when it comes to making rifles, barrels and bolts in particular. May 23, 2021. (C'mon VSASS!). Both are probably good. Id go DD for sure. Because the AR15.com thread is trustworthy, Ill directly quote the 14.5 URG-I setup recommended: Grip standard M16A2/M16A3/M16A4/M4/M4A1, Selector- Colt full auto ambi P/N SP401017, Bolt carrier group standard M16A4/M4/M4A1, Charging handle Geissele Airborne Charging Handle in Desert Dirt Color with subdued markings- P/N 05-664S NSN 1005-01-672-4803, Barrel DanielDefense 14.5 mid length GOV profile with .076 gas port P/N 07-077-07308, Gas block Daniel Defense pinned gas block which comes on their rifles and URGs, Gas tube Daniel Defense mid length P/N 04-013-18034, Hand guard Geissele 13.5 MK16 in Desert Dirt Color- P/N 05-650S- NSN 1005-01-672-4794, M-LOK rail section Magpul 7 slot aluminum P/N MAG582-BLK, Muzzle device SureFire 4 prong flash hider P/N FH556RC, Suppressor SureFire SOCOM in Dark Earth P/N SOCOM556-RC, Front BUIS Knights Armament Front Flip Sight in Taupe P/N 99051. Between those 2, I'd have to go with DD. Ive been killing myself going back and forth past few days, any help w any tidbit of advice would be greatly appreciated, ****Edit Hmmlooks like they may be out of stock? Clearly a problem on a like new trigger that cost this much. What benefit does a 14.5" + muzzle device get you compared to a 16" + muzzle device? Not quite. Designed to take the full rigors of the new M855A1 (AB57) ammunition, the USASOC URGI also takes full advantage of its capabilities. If you go to order one on Geissele's website, they offer four different length base models to choose from including 10. . Following substantial growth from a 2002 U.S. Army Special Forces grant for M4 upper receivers, Daniel Defense expanded in 2009 and moved into a new manufacturing facility in Black Creek, Georgia, where it is now based. The so-called "government profile" adds thickness to the. I have never had a better trigger than my Geissele. If you want something you can dep Cant beat a cold hammer forged dd barrel, these are very well made and hold some incredible accuracy. contiguous 48 states, DC, and to all U.S. Military APO/FPO/DPO addresses. 16 handguard. Offer Amount $ Cancel Submit Offer. https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parver-group-improved-5-56-m-lok-prod114412.aspx, https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-M4-Barrel-Stripped-SOCOM-p/bcm-brl-s-m4 socom 16 std.htm, https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Standard-14-5-M4-SOCOM-Upper-Receiver-p/bcm-urg-m4-14socom.htm. Unveiled at SHOT 2018, the URGI a joint collaboration between Geissele and Daniel Defense has already hit the market and is making waves. - Geisselle Low Profile Gas Block. I have had several MLOK mounts come off the rail, even with Locktite. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Backordered 14.5 URGI upper barrels. Geissele's URGIs retail with a handguard -- the MK 16 M-Lok Super Modular Rail -- tailor-made as per USASOC's operational specifications, that can host a variety of attachments and add-ons, including sights and optics on its upper Picatinny rail. I have a DDv5 and a DDv9. A mk18, a mk12, and a m4v1. Let us know how it works for you. it essentially makes for a brand new weapon. If you look at the history of the SD it was not really a premium rifle, just a rifle that the price was raised on to move it into the premium class. If I could wait, their Black Friday sales are awesome. View New Listing Home All Gun Parts AR15 Parts 1 of 8 View Larger Images it keeps saying no shipping method selected when i go to checkoutjesus this would be my luck. Is the somewhat steep price tag on the Daniel Defense . Same reason I only use A-2 flash hiders. receipt, and we'll cover the cost of return shipping. And that's only until the G barrel becomes more proven. Copyright 2023 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved, Daniel Defense 14.5 government profile cold hammer-forged barrel, According to the Navys Naval Surface Warfare Center--Crane. URGI is not. Choose caliber, profile and length. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. daniel defense (in stock) 4.0 (2) m4v7 carbine 5.56 16" brown. After just getting off the phone with Geissele I will not ever purchase anything from them again. Super Duty uppers have Geissele profile barrels, same color ano center tab receivers and rails, and Nano coated SF closed tine flash hiders (unless stripped). The uppers, known as Upper Receiver Group-Improved (URG-I) were reportedly destined for U.S. Army Rangers and Special Forces. Im looking for my first AR and Im stuck between the super duty and the DDM4 V7. What are your thoughts on them? Take a look at the pics of the rifling on a DD vs an FN. Barrel - Daniel Defense 14.5 mid length "GOV" profile with .076 gas port - P/N 07-077-07308 Gas block - Daniel Defense pinned gas block which comes on their rifles and URGs Gas tube - Daniel Defense mid length - P/N 04-013-18034 Hand guard - Geissele 13.5 MK16 in Desert Dirt Color- P/N 05-650S- NSN 1005-01-672-4794 It indicates, "Click to perform a search". He just told me to go to website, find what I needed and buy it. Barrel lengths and buttstocks have changed, but more or less the evolution of America's right arm has proceeded apace with each generation of warri . Besides the Geissele I have seen a BCM flex with normal grip during a night shoot that put the POI off by 2 feet at 50 Yards. URG-I stands for Upper Receiver Group, Improved. Geissele has had several QC issues in the past where Bill Geissele himself didn't seem to care about so that should be concern. The URG-I includes an upper receiver and bolt carrier group built to military specification--not particularly exciting. One new winner* is announced every week! Is this 14.5 or 16 inches? I have mostly BCM uppers. The URG-I's Mk16 SMR is its most distinctive feature. My PEQ was still good. A bit like the situation where any build which features a Daniel Defense Mk18 RIS II is referred to as a "Mk18". Heres a select few pics of the URG-I in the wild. Geissele is new to the whole game of making a complete rifle. I think I heard Roland state on one of the modcasts that he prefers 14.5", to the point that it'd be worth it to SBR all one's lowers. : +1-847-513-6201 Overall, they are great rifles. I've put about 500 rounds through a 16" super duty rifle. The barrels are either Colt or Daniel Defense government profile chrome-lined barrel, both of which have been used widely by military and law enforcement units. Aside from possibly the barrel, everything about it is better. I have been using a LaRue Tactical rail for the last 15 plus years. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. The Daniel Defense M4 V11 is an upgrade from the V9 series carbines with the added benefits of having the KeyMod System and the integrated SliM Rail. These are great deals with a 35% coupon. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. The difference is the MR has a longer barrel at 16.5 inches, and comes in either KeyMod or M-LOK instead of the quad rail on the 416 and MK18. Even a 50ish foot fall off the ramp of a helicopter that dislocated my shoulder. The four prong FH is not available to the public yet and when they do come up for sale they go for over $200. Ive seen a few threads on the new Geissele Super Duty 16, but not much info on them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/366627/244C1AAE-7047-4ED4-AB68-AA2AAB7C81B2_4_5-2021077.JPG. This is a particular Army command and therefore does not span the whole of SOCOM. Thanks to Geissele Automatics of New Wales, Pennsylvania, civilian gun owners and firearms enthusiasts can now get their hands on an AR upper receiver worthy of US Army Special Operations Command. Mbz2020, While expensive for an AR-15 pattern rifle, it has the benefit of an excellent trigger, accurate barrel, and quality parts made or handpicked by a company known for excellence. The Knights NT-4 is another great option, its just bit outdated and doesnt do anything better than the Surefire SOCOM, aside from be heavier. This interchangeability between military and civilian firearms means that gun manufacturers like Geissele and Daniel Defense can easily make parts for military rifles. What requirements do you have that soft shooting, moa accurate and reliable thus far doesnt meet? I'm planning on running both suppressed (YHM Turbo K for now). I was wondering if anyone with any experience with both had any insight on which is better and why. The LP gas block is pinned and rock solid! TNTE Custom | sku: MMC-BLK15FSB M-4 Sopmod Block 1.5 FSB Upper $925.00 Kyle Mizokami is a writer based in San Francisco who has appeared in The Diplomat, Foreign Policy, War is Boring and The Daily Beast. He could not help me. That should tell you about anything you need to know. Brass ejected into a neat little pile about six feet from the shooter at exactly 4:00. The modular nature of the platform also means that a patient AR-15 owner with a modestly priced rifle could gradually upgrade to a rifle just as good. Most are grossly over-gassed and harsh. Daniel Defense AR-15 MK12 SPR Upper Receiver Assembly 5.56x45mm 18" Barrel $1585.00 Add to Cart Product Overview The Daniel Defense M4 V7 S Upper Receiver Group is built around a Cold Hammer Forged 11.5" Government profile barrel and equipped with a DD improved Flash Suppressor to reduce flash signature. I already have a few cheaper built ARs, but lately steering towards the buy once, cry once mentality, wanting a rifle that will last a lifetime, along with regular parts maintenance. Super Duty is being produced. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. No longer an A2 grip, the rifle now has a "Geissele Rifle Grip". I have not used a BCM SOCOM profile barrel. However, I have built riffles using VLTOR uppers and Daniel Defense or Criterion barrels. Until I see some actual testing on the G bolt, I find it real hard to believe it lasts 5x longer simply due to some alteration in the heat treating. Check out the full details below: Length - 10.5" Stainless Steel or Cold Hammer Forged 5.56 with 1/7 Twist or Stainless Steel 300BLK with 1/7 twist Gas Block - Lo-Pro, .750, pinned to barrel. Saw a nice post a few days ago that ZParts have released some MK16 M4 build specific outer barrels for a couple of systems. I am very curious to see what else is going to come from Geissele at SHOT. All builds done on Aero Precision lowers with BCM A5 buffers. I'm happy with mine but it doesn't really shoot any better than my home build with 77 FGMM. If you keep tabs on it, youll usually see new URG-I reference pics and discussion there first well before the IG sharing pages although @btl_ltw on IG is also fast and reliable. Its very long but it goes into way more detail than this primer will. I don't want it all. The 300BO kaboom thread is interesting, seems the SD faired pretty well, not to mention the customer service given it was no fault of the rifle. 2023 Daniel Defense LLC All Rights Reserved. You must log in or register to reply here. For those not familiar, URGI stands for Upper Receiver Group Improved. Guy was not really rude. It is essentially a SOCOM Block 3 upper but is so far only being adopted by USASOC contingent of USSOCOM and is referred to as the URG-I, or Upper Reciever Group - Improved, and it is. Barrel Criterion 10.3" Core Series; Gas Block BCM Gas Block; Muzzle Device SureFire SOCOM 4 . If running a suppressor, both are great candidates, DD runs smaller than typical ports. No experience with G, but I hear they run great suppressed as well, supposedly tuned very well. -upgraded buffer system. I have a complete ODG SD and look forward to receiving my 10.3 URGI. - AR15 Accessories & Parts at GunBroker.com : 966534592 You must Sign In or Register for a GunBroker.com account to take action on this item. Got ya - for general military its the A2. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Im trying to stay under 2k for the complete rifle. 5 In the market for another 11. Specifications and pricing subject to change. Geisseles URGI is available in both a Stripped and Complete model, and can be snapped onto most available ARs on the civilian market today. Daniel Defense AR15 and Bolt Action Rifle Barrels | Daniel Defense Home Barrels View Compared 0 Barrels Looking for something specific? Price on the 11.5 upper increased $75. Barrels. If your looking for a cheap barrel, this isnt it! U.S. Special Operations Forces have access to a wide variety of weaponry, but typically their M16 and M4 rifles have not been too different from rifles used by line units. Fast-Attach suppressor, though that doesnt come with either the Stripped or Complete models of the URGI. The process is quick, typically taking a minute or less, including a function check. 5.56x45 barrels come in 10.5", 14.5" and 16" lengths, with the shorter barrels featuring carbine length gas system. You May Also Like. All builds done on Aero Precision lowers with BCM A5 buffers. I thought the urgi were not coupon eligible. You get a lot for your money. 180 Maple Ave W Vienna, VA 22180. I suspect those groups will be better once the 1-8x I have on order comes in. One new winner* is announced every week! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I wish it were a DD M4a1. . January 26, 2023, by If you dont need the step cut for an M203 there are tons of better options. Barrel extension has M4-type feed ramps. I have the UGI upper and its front heavy because of the govt profile bbl that was required. But at 1750 -2150 and no background on full builds..shittttt. Daniel Defense DDM4V7 LW - Specifications Caliber: 5.56 NATO Weight: 6.05 lbs Rifle Length: Modular - 32-1/4" to 35-7/8" Action: Semi-Automatic Safety: Ambidextrous Rifle Barrel Length: 16 Rifle Barrel Twist: 1:7 Barrel Thread Pitch: 1/228 TPI Scope Mount: 1913 Picatinny rail and M-LOK attachment technology Magazines Included: 32 rounds

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